Sextortion, Deepfakes, and the Digital War on Kids

Joseph Kohm from the Family Policy Alliance joins Peter Demos once again to talk about the online dangers today’s teens are facing, and how their parents — who never had to deal with this stuff at their age! — can help them.

Kohm breaks down the Take It Down Act, a landmark bipartisan bill aimed at curbing online exploitation and AI-generated explicit content. But legislation alone isn’t enough — he calls parents to boldly reclaim their role as the primary voices shaping their children’s understanding of sex, value, and truth rooted in a biblical worldview.

This isn’t just a policy discussion — it’s a wake-up call to protect the next generation from shame, confusion, and silence.

 

Peter Demos is the author of On the Duty of Christian Civil Disobedience and the host of Uncommon Sense in Current Times. A Christian business leader from Tennessee, Demos uses his biblical perspective and insight gained from his own struggles to lead others to truth and authenticity in a broken world. To learn more, visit peterdemos.org.

 

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(00:30) I’m here again today with Joseph Comb um director of public policy at Family Policy Alliance. Um Joseph was just recently on the show and it’s a great interview. If you have not watched it, we talked about, you know, a lot of the stuff that’s happening with online and the protections against pornography online um issues.

(00:49) We talked a little bit about gender roles in sports. Um and then when we got off the air, we were talking about an issue that I didn’t get a chance to ask him about, and Joseph says, “Well, this is great cuz we got this law that that’s that’s about to be signed by the president on sextortion.

(01:07) ” And I was like, “Oh my goodness, we got to have you back on to talk about this.” So, I’m excited to welcome Joseph Comb back on. Um so, Joseph, thank you so much again for being on the show. No, thank you for the invitation, Peter. I’m excited to to be back and to talk more about another really important subject. So tell me I so first of all can you can you define what sextortion is and then like and why is that important to you or just to the to the Family Policy Alliance any as a whole? Yeah, I’d love to.

(01:38) So sextortion is a crime. I want to state that at the outset and it’s something that I even I as a lawyer it’s such a new trend I had to educate myself in but I did come into it before I worked for FPA actually Peter. So I’ll just start at the top. It’s important to FPA because it gets to protecting children, vulnerable children, which by definition, a child online in today’s world is a vulnerable child.

(02:01) So that’s why we feel led to do something about this in the legislative level. So sextortion, it’s it starts usually on an app, some kind of internet platform, and it’s where people meet and communicate with others. And what basically happens is a young user meets someone posing as someone their age but is actually an adult behind the keyboard and they are convinced because they think the other person is romantically interested them in them or something like that to send this person sexually explicit media of themselves. So a sexually explicit

(02:32) picture um video something like that that exposes themselves to this other person. This other person takes that and then reveals themselves for who they really are and threatens to release that media to the person’s family, friends, school, local media, and says they will do this if the other person doesn’t either pay them money or perform some kind of sexual service to them or something like that.

(02:56) So, the easiest way I like to think about this, Peter, I can just give a quick story for your audience for them to relate to it. In another life, before I worked for Family Policy Alliance, I was an officer in the US Army. At my first duty station, I just gone through my first officer schoolhouse. I was a field artillery officer at Fort Sil.

(03:13) And then I did what’s called “PC”‘ing or permanent change of station to Fort Drum in upstate New York. And when you in process to a new duty station in the military, you usually have to go through some kind of instruction about local dangers or local hazards. Fort Drum has many of them. It is the Army’s coldest duty station, so most of it was around the weather.

(03:31) But one thing they did want to warn us of and it was me and a couple other officers and a group of a bunch of enlisted personnel, mostly junior enlisted who were “PC”‘ing to Fort Drum. They told us you need to be aware of extortion because Fort Drum is such a remote base. Um, a lot of junior soldiers understandably get quite lonely.

(03:49) So they look for companionship on the internet. And I’m sitting in this classroom thinking, what is extortion? I’m a lawyer. I have two bar licenses. Like what is this? What is this? And so they went on to explain it and that it happens a lot to soldiers who are lonely, make themselves vulnerable online and they get sexed over a simple, you know, dating or hookup app like Bumble or at the time there was an app called Plenty of Fish, which may still be a thing. I don’t know.

(04:10) I’m not on apps like that. But, they said this and they looked at the officers and they said, “This can happen to your soldiers and you have to proactively watch out for them with this because it becomes such a short a source of shame. The army is a very proud establishment and institution that its members are proud.
(04:28) Soldiers don’t want to admit that this is happening to them. And sometimes it has only been revealed to their commanding officers when they file for debt relief for the army which is a

great service that the army offers for soldiers who have just in their youth made financial mistakes. But sometimes that’s how they find out.
(04:45) So they told the officers they told us all what this was. They said be proactive. this is a reason for you to exercise your personal leadership over your soldiers. And I counseled multiple soldiers through being sexed during the time in the army. And that’s what brought it home to me.

(05:01) And I’m thankful I get to make a difference on the issue now for FBI. You know, I’ve been around um young men who have been victims of this as well. Usually it’s it’s usually they’re following a porn site um that that seems like it’s a live thing where they’re, you know, videoing it and then later they threaten to release it to all their all their family friends on Instagram or wherever it happens to be.

(05:26) So I’ve talked with young men who’ve been in this situation before as well. And um you know and from my experience that that have been with men, it’s money is usually they want the money from it. And then when you tell them, okay, you got to go to the FBI, you got to report to the FBI.

(05:46) They have a special thing on it. Um come to find out that most of them they can’t track because it’s overseas. So how does this new policy that you have, this new legislation you have, the Take It Down Act, how does that address some of these issues? um and that that’s happening in this country and to a lot of our children now as well. Yeah.

(06:06) So, the Take It Down Act is a really great piece of legislation and just as a point of pride for us at FPA. It’s our first piece of FPA backed legislation to be passed by this Congress at the time of recording. And at the time of recording, we are just waiting on President Trump’s signature. He’s got, I think, two or three more days to sign it.

(06:21) But he is going to sign it because it’s been a pet project of the first lady, Melania Trump. This is a really important issue to her. And it does a couple different things. It attacks really two issues that are linked by a broader umbrella. Um it protects people from being victims of what’s called um deep fake pornography, which is non-consensual sharing of sexually explicit images and AI generated images.

(06:44) So of course, human beings are are prone to when we invent this incredible piece of technology, first thing we use it for is pornography, right? Classic. So, this bill aims to stop that because someone could take your innocent picture off your Facebook account, feed it into an AI, a generative AI program, and generate pornography with your image on it. It’s an awful thing.

(07:03) It’s happened to a lot of celebrities. I think many people in your audience will have heard of people who this has happened to in the public light. And it can happen to regular people, too. So, the bill incorporates that into the federal criminal code. It allows for prosecution for it. And it does the same thing for sextortion.

(07:19) right now it’s hard to it’s hard to track these people down and like you said it happens a lot overseas a lot of the perpetrators of extortion are in random places like Eastern Europe or Western Africa and it incorporates international law and international legal structures to make it more likely that we can bring those people to justice provide a better deterrent and really help shore up mental health for kids because right now they think that if this becomes public their life is over and tragically many of them have brought that have

(07:50) brought that upon themselves. It there’s been a wave of really tragic suicides because the victims were being sexed. So a bill like this if for no other reasons provides a very public message to the whole world and especially American kids. You are loved. You are valued and our whole government has has mobilized to protect you.

(08:12) Peter, this bill was passed almost unanimously through Congress. You know how hard it is to get all these senators from both sides of the aisle to vote on anything together. They all agreed this is worth doing to protect kids. And me, Peter, somebody who just has to live and work in this environment, that is so encouraging because it means some things are still bipartisan and really ought to be bipartisan.

(08:34) This is an ought to be bipartisan issue. It should be no-brainer to protect our kids from this and I’m so thankful that for the most part it was. So, I can’t wait for the president’s signature. So, I know part of the challenges of of parents and in addressing these issues, you know, there’s because because extortion doesn’t always occur like from some Russian mob that that puts an AI generated woman up to to convince you.

(09:01) A lot of it is with with men and young women. Young women that that think they need to be validated by telling them how pretty they look and then eventually um I know a lot of times sex trafficking can can occur from from starting out as a sextortion and so how do parents protect their children from these these situations that are occurring because a lot of times um you know I mean we make bad decisions when we’re kids um and I’m very thankful I did not have the technology to make the bad decisions

(09:36) because I made plenty on my own without the help of technology. So, so how do we how do we as parents how do we address this before um it becomes a problem? And then how do we address it when we find out that our kids have made that mistake? So, it’s a great question, Peter, and I want to make sure I answer humbly just because I’m not a parent yet.

(09:56) So, I want to say this in in humility and make sure I communicate the two suggestions that I have. One very practical and one I think more theological. I want to communicate that graciously. So the first real practical step that I would just advocate for parents and FPA believes that smartphones generally are dangerous for kids.

(10:15) Um we think in an ideal world kids wouldn’t have smartphones and we do recommend that for parents. However, we also recognize that that is not feasible for many parents and many parents feel differently and we respect that. There’s a big debate raging about this and even in my home state of Virginia, my governor just signed a law of removing of cell phones from schools.

(10:34) There was robust debate about that, but it ended up being a bipartisan law. So, um so we think that’s part of the answer, but we know it’s not the full answer. So, I would just encourage parents if you’re going to have um cell phones in in your house for your kids, be very proactive about it.

(10:50) I would suggest some kind of rules about where and when it can be used. So, I met a father the other day who only allows his his kids to use their iPads in the living room and they cannot leave the banister, you know, dish that they have that they store them all in. That’s the only place they can be used and only during certain hours of the day.

(11:06) I think that’s very good. I think they can also parents can also help advocate for protective laws in their states. So, as we talked about in the last show, FPA has gotten or helps to get a wave of laws passed that protect kids from unintentional exposure to pornography online. We’re also um big advocates of a new model piece of legislation called the App Store Accountability Act which become which gives much more holistic protections to kids online further up the causal chain in terms of online engagement at the app stores. There’s a lot about that on our

(11:35) website. I don’t want to drag our conversation down here, but parents can can get involved in the effort to pass those through their state family policy councils which do the same issue areas that FPA works on but in their individual states. You can find them all on our website on the allies tab. That’s the really practical solutions I would recommend.

(11:54) The theological solutions I would recommend, Peter, is that you know at FPA we believe parents have the right to direct the upbringing of their children. And that includes especially when and how their kids learn about sex and about romance. And I would just encourage parents to be bold and fearless in proclaiming the truth of God to their kids in their lives.

(12:11) be the first person they hear about this from so that they hear about it in an age appropriate manner from you, the most trusted person in their life and in a way that honors God. You know, God’s design for sex, Peter, and for romance is so dramatically more positive than what the world has to offer. thinking about sextortion.

(12:29) What these poor kids are being taken advantage of in doing is exposing themselves to people they don’t really know and getting nothing in return and sometimes losing a lot in return. It it makes me sad, Peter, that these kids think so lowly of themselves here. God gifted them with the bodies they have, with their instincts and their desires, and they treat it so lightly.

(12:52) And this is not to blame kids. to show that this is the degree to which this alternative sexual ethic has bled into their worldview where they think so little of themselves. They don’t value their sexuality that God give gave them. Whereas God has always said your sexuality is a sign of your of the covenant oath you have taken to love your spouse that physically it is a reflection of that and acting out of that promise to love the person whether you feel like it or not.

(13:19) And that is such a higher form of value in my mind, Peter. It shows how much val how valuable you are and your spouse is. And if kids really understand that, they would never want to share their bodies or their sexualities with people they haven’t also covenanted with to love in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer, for better or for worse.

(13:41) So, if parents can be the ones to preach that truth to their kids and disciple them in it, I think that’s the most powerful long-term solution to to this crisis of kids not not valuing themselves. You know, I just recently did a show on on who owns your children, whether it’s the state because the state kind of thinks they do um versus versus parents and the parents responsibility.

(14:05) And one of the things that that I that I raise in it and is that I think too often as parents, we’re too busy trying to define what is sexual immorality instead of defining what is sexual morality. And I think as a result, a lot of the stuff that that comes out of it, the fight for against pornography, the fight against abortion, the fight against um um you know the different levels of birth control, premarital sex, extra-marital sex, whatever it happens to be.

(14:33) I think it’s because we’re fighting downstream. Um we’re always fighting downstream from it. So I’m very thankful to hear you say that, you know, what what parents’ roles and responsibilities are. Uh the problem is though is I think a lot of people and a lot of parents who aren’t listening who are listening to this who may attend church, may attend church occasionally, may not attend church at all.

(14:52) Um who believe in this from a political perspective though, um they don’t know what God’s truth is. they don’t understand that piece of it and/or they did what they could. Their children made decisions on their own and made mistakes. Um what from your experience in seeing this and listening to some of the parents who have either been the parents of children who’ve fallen victim to it, what is your advice when when that happens? Because personally like if I get conned and sextortion is a type of con. If I get

(15:23) conned, I get angry. like I want to go and I want to punch somebody. Not not because they took the money from me or whatever it was. It’s because I felt stupid, you know, and they that I that I that I lost intellectually for some reason, which is not too hard not too hard for me to lose that.

(15:39) But but that’s where some of that comes in. So if it was my children, my family, I want to get angry with them because they got conned. Like how how do we how do we as parents supposed to react and respond to this without adding to their guilt and shame? Yeah, I do think that last bit is the critical bit is without adding to their guilt and shame because I’m kind of with you, Peter.

(15:59) Something did this to me just as a man. I just feel um just really frustrated and angry and I’d want to, you know, be a little vindictive about it. So, I don’t blame parents for feeling that way on behalf of their kids. But it’s very easy in this very vulnerable moment for these kids to feel like that is coming upon them in the moment of deepest shame of their whole life.

(16:19) shame that can really drive them to commit self harm. And I think if we know at the outset that that’s what kids are experiencing during a time when they’ve been taken advantage of, which by the way happens in a lot more anodyne ways than sextortion. I mean, in today’s world, I feel bad for kids growing up in the social media age because it’s so easy for them to be caught in an embarrassing moment on a video and suddenly it goes viral through their school and now they’re the laughing stock of the school for that day. Now to them it’ll feel like a

(16:47) year but for that day I just have so much empathy for them as and I’m someone with clinical social anxiety Peter God’s really set me free from that through some great mental health treatment and spiritual nourishment and I live with it but it doesn’t live with me if that makes sense like I’ve mastered it but it gives me a lot of empathy for these kids and so I think if we know that going in that this is creates in spectacular tidal wave of shame then I think parents can come alongside their kids in those

(17:14) moments with the truth to the gospel which is very simply shame off you. God paid for everything you could ever be ashamed of on the cross. The great preacher Tim Keller used to say if you have the smile of God all other frowns are inconsequential. And the reality is if parents and their kids are saved by faith through Christ, then parents can in complete genuiness and earnestness tell their kids, I know you’re in a time of shame right now, but God is never ashamed of you.

(17:44) he will always be there with you and through him because of the resilience he gives us through the gospel truth we’re going to get through this. I think if kids have someone come alongside and tell them that in that moment it would be really helpful. And then of course there might be professional help that they could get to continue to recover from that because it will bring in a lot of other things.

(18:04) But first and foremost, I would just encourage parents, preach that truth to of the gospel to your kids in tenderness, in love, recognizing how much shame they’re feeling, but recognizing that the gospel is the antidote for all shame. God died so we wouldn’t have to live in shame. If you can get that foundational piece and then pursue professional help appropriately, I think there’s there’s definitely definitely life after this for anyone who’s been a victim of it.

(18:26) I can’t remember if it was in Isaiah or Hebrews um where it says that Jesus bore the shame on the cross. I think it’s Hebrews, but I don’t remember the exact chapter and verse now. And I think a lot of people don’t realize that. They’re like, “Oh, well, he died for our sins. He died for forgiveness.” Um and then some people are like, you know, there there’s healing and health in that cross, but there’s also the shame that that he took.

(18:49) He he he took our shame on that. And I think that’s um extremely important for people to understand and realize. So with with that being said, one of the conversations we had afterward is it’s not even necessarily always ends up in sextortion um situations. But the unfortunately on the rise right now, you have young boys um high school boys that are reaching out to young girls in high school, same same age, and they’re asking for nudes.

(19:18) They’re asking them to send them nude pictures. Um, and I remember having this I was actually having dinner with my daughter one time when someone sent her one and she was like, “Hey, Dad, Dad, let me show this is what’s going on.” And like literally like sent him a picture of me in response. So, it was kind of um and it was kind of fun to to see that kid the next time I saw him um because I coached him in soccer too, which made it even better.

(19:46) Um but I asked her, I said, “Why did this happen?” And both my my daughter and son both said girls do it all the time. And I’m like why why would they do that? And they said because it’s the only way they could feel validated is is by by having that. So it’s like the more requests they get the better they are the better they feel.

(20:03) You know where does that stem from? And what can schools, because parents not necessarily can do it. What can what can the other institutions that are around these kids what can they do to help prevent a lot of this? Yeah. Boy, first of all, good job, Dad. Go back to your example.

(20:20) You handled that well from as far as I can tell. So, I appreciated it, especially because this leads into my first part of my answer, which is I do think there’s a crisis of masculinity. Peter, I don’t want to put all the blame for this on one of the two sexes. I do think there’s there’s equal responsibility to be had here. But that being said, I do think there’s a bit of a heavier responsibility on men to be good stewards of women, particularly in their vulnerability.

(20:47) So, I do want to particularly address I think there’s a crisis of masculinity. You know, there were a lot of good things about the me too movement that our society really needed, but one of the downsides of it was the was the um raising of the stature of so-called toxic masculinity, and then the broadening of its definition to include really any kind of masculinity.

(21:07) Uh which has helped push us into this crisis to the point where now um you know little boys like that think that’s what passes for flirting or for courting a girl to ask her for nude pictures which is as a I mean Peter I went to a military college. I was raised by a great gentleman and my dad I was taught to be both masculine and to have manners and respect for women.

(21:27) So I know it’s possible but most kids don’t have that. They don’t have a a a good masculine figure. They don’t have good instruction on what masculinity means in church. My my small group here at my church just went through a book on what it means to be masculine. And it was so refreshing for all of us, even most of us are middle-aged guys in there to get this at our point in life.

(21:47) We could only imagine just what a little bit of good instruction on this could mean for young men to treat women with respect. to know what it really means to court someone and to not ask them for something that is not theirs. The only person that should ever see a woman or any person in that level of vulnerability is their spouse because as I said earlier, they have sworn to love to love them no matter what’s going on in their life whether they feel like it or not.

(22:13) So that’d be my first my first answer is just we need good examples of masculinity. We need a revival of biblical masculinity as exemplified by Christ and by others in the Bible. And just when it comes to how people can come around and support them, first of all, like I said, dad, you did a good job coming around your daughter and supporting her in that time.

(22:33) I do think we need dads to be good be good girl dads. Um, and then for the institutions around them, it’s tough. But I do think we can make sure to communicate these standards to boys because, um, you know, as as you kind of alluded to earlier, the Bible says without vision, the people perish. Right now, there’s a there’s a vision vacuum in young people’s lives.

(22:53) They have to grow up with no standards, no examples of what good behavior is. And I think it’s it’s a lot harder to communicate that to men. Like, it’s one thing just to give teenage boys, oh, here’s a code of conduct on a sheet of paper. Make sure you follow it. I mean that’s only going to go so far.

(23:08) I think schools and institutions, youth pastors should be really proactive about what does it mean to respect each other when it comes to our vulnerability and the sacredness that is our sexuality in our bodies. So um a lot of it is increased value. Can we value the other person? Can we value them the way God does, which is enough to die for them? And that’s what Ephesians 6 says spouses are supposed to do for each other.

(23:30) It says men are supposed to to exercise headship, but they’re supposed to exercise headship in service of their wife to the point of death. That’s what it means to be a true man in the biblical form. I think all of our institutions, our pastors, our churches, our schools can all do a better job at setting that as the standard for boys to rise to.

(23:52) Boys are achievers. They need a purpose by nature. If they’re given that vision, they will aspire to it. You know, I love that because I keep thinking about it from my perspective. I keep thinking about it as a protecting the girl. Um and not necessarily from you know what, if we if we raise the boys, so I’m I’m even kind of downstream as well.

(24:14) Um so if we raise the boys correctly, we don’t have to protect the girls anymore. The boys should protect the girls. And um you know, but but one of the problems that I face and that I see is with a lot of times with parents. And these are parents of that are sending their kids to Christian schools. They go to church every Sunday.

(24:31) They do this stuff and then they will knowingly allow them to have sex under their roof. Um and when asked and I would say confronted, but that’s too strong of a word. But when asked about it, they respond with something like, “Well, they’re going to do it anyway.” And I’m like, “Well, then do you just encourage your husband to have an affair because he might do it anyway.

(24:53) Do you encourage I mean like at some point in time that argument becomes kind of ridiculous. But unfortunately they don’t it doesn’t seem to matter. They value more of popularity. They value more of of what’s accepted in in the social circles than anything else. And sadly that’s where it is.

(25:11) There seems to be a bigger piece behind that um that allows that excuse. What is your organization doing? Um, I know you’re supporting families that aren’t there, but is there anything that’s being that that that aren’t at that point in time, but is there anything that you’re doing to help educate those families that are that are that that that looking at the world wrong? They’re looking at it through a through a a mirrored lens almost. Yeah.

(25:35) This is really important to us at FPA, Peter, for exactly what what you’re saying because we can we can pass laws, but the law is only a teacher so in to such a degree. It has to be a lot deeper than that, which is why we have a lot of education and worldview programs that do help restore these lost ethics generally, but lost sexual ethics specifically.

(25:57) So, for example, one resource I can recommend to your audience just recently, I did a four-part podcast series called Truth Revealed, which is exposes the pornography industry as the marketing wing of the sexual revolution from the 1960s. And we examine how that works and all the broken promises that people are dealing with from it.

(26:18) They were promised sex without consequences with whomever they wanted, as often as they wanted, all paid for by the government. All of which has failed. And not just failed, but caused severe damage to the people who bought into it. I think an example like that that you just cited is the perfect example of that worldview being worked out.

(26:36) This cynicism of, well, people are going to have kids are going to have sex anyway, so they might as well have it under our supervision. I mean, it’s hard for me to imagine, maybe it’s because I’m privileged in my perspective on how to value other people because of Christ, but it’s hard for me to imagine something more cynical.

(26:49) Uh, and we just talked about masculinity. I just can’t imagine feeling that way as a father. Like, oh, well, some boy’s going to take this from my daughter no matter what. So, I might as well, you know, be supervising over it. It’s like, no, Dad, you have a you have a responsibility here. So, I’m with you. I’m like, I don’t how does the father do that? Like, I don’t understand.

(27:07) Like, it drives it. Oh my goodness. So, I’m sorry. Yeah, I can’t Yeah, I’m glad you said it because I just, I don’t understand that father either. Yeah. Well, I just remember what it was like for my dad. So, I have a younger sister and she’s married to a great godly man. And I remember when we first met him and what a joy that was, not just to meet him, but to be so satisfied in in the woman of God, my sister had become, the true Proverbs 31 woman that she selected such a good man and all of that.

(27:34) It was still hard on my father to walk her down the aisle. Now granted, he did and that was one of the best days ever. Um, but that’s that’s what fathers should be in my mind is that level of protection because they love them so much. So I would just say FPA has a lot more programs like that, education programs for people to consume.

(27:53) I would also recommend our sister ministry which is called Christians Engaged. They’re led by the great Bunni Pounds and Ben Quin is their vice president, a great pastor. They have lots of great educational programs about restoring this worldview to America. In fact, Bunni’s doing America Reads the Bible right now as a special podcast and YouTube series. It’s excellent.

(28:12) I would I would encourage your audience to check that out. And um I would I would just say on on the policy side, I am the policy director. I’ve talked to you before about this wave of legislation we’ve got helped get past to protect kids from unintentional exposure to pornography. It’s very rare in the policy world, Peter, where I can say that a policy I worked on that would ended up being enacted would have a really significant long-term cultural impact.

(28:38) And I really think we’re going to see that from this wave of laws because as we’ve discussed, pornography is the sex education for most of our kids these days, sadly. Well, if you can cut off access to that from kids, what we know just deductive reasoning and through research is that when they don’t get educated in sex through pornography, they’re much more likely to get age appropriate sexual education, much more likely to get it from a parent and hopefully even from a biblical worldview.

(29:06) What that will do is set them up for much better long-term social science impacts is what I think I’m looking for or um outcomes. I’m sorry. That’s it. you’ll set them up for much more positive income outcomes. I made this case at a at a abortion pro-life conference recently where I said these laws are actually pro-life laws and here’s why. Right.

(29:25) Sex education of pornography leads to more unprotected sex which leads to more unplanned pregnancies which leads to more abortions sadly. But if porn isn’t your sex headed, then you’re more likely to get real sexual education. It’s actually positive and it’ll mean less unprotected sex, less unplanned pregnancies, more marriages, more health within those marriages.

(29:45) So what I mean by that is a lot less abuse and that will become a cycle down the generations for more generations to have these good education what and what sex and romance is and more good social outcomes. So I think that’s a lot of what they’re doing and that’s not really the law as a teacher, but it is inverting that to make sure that the bright teachers in people’s lives are actually leading them towards healthy outcomes and I’m really thankful to have been a part of that.

(30:12) Well, I’m glad and I’m thankful that that Take It Down will be signed hopefully in a in a in the next day or two. So I’m very thankful for that and thankful for again for all that y’all are doing. um that you obviously there’s your your organization, you said your sister organization.

(30:28) Can you tell people how to find both of those between Christians Engaged and Family Policy Alliance? Where where do they go for to find out more information there? Sure. So, you can get to them both from our website, which is really simple. It’s fpaf.com. It’s that easy. Um and from there, you can get to Christians Engaged.

(30:47) You can connect to your local Family Policy Council, which I mentioned earlier. That’s just fpbaf.com/allies. But if you scroll down, you’ll see links to Christians Engaged. You’ll see links to our major campaigns on these, including let parents parent, which is where all our internet safety um advocacy resides. So that’s the easiest way is fpaf.com.

(31:06) You can also follow us on social media. I think it’s Christians Engaged is their tags and ours are family_policy. All right. Well, Joseph, thank you so much again. I greatly appreciate you being back on the show. I’m um and I look forward to being able to talk with you again as y’all get more more of your acts passed um through through this Congress.

(31:26) So again, thank you so much and um and God bless you and bless your work you’re doing. From your mouth to God’s ears, Peter, it’s always a pleasure. So thanks for the conversation. Thank you.

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