From Trump Prophet to a Voice in the Church

In this reflective video running 1:46:00, Wanda Alger candidly addresses her journey from being a prominent “Trump prophet” to advocating for greater integrity and accountability within prophetic ministries. She acknowledges the errors and presumptions she committed around the 2020 election, while highlighting pressure from others to predict future events — which led to inaccurate prophecies and personal compromise.

Listen to Alger’s heartfelt message as she emphasizes the need to for the prophetic movement to emphasize character over gifting, humility, collaboration between different ministries, and deeper adherence to Scripture to avoid future mistakes.

Wanda Alger is an ordained and commissioned fivefold leader who has been in ministry for more than 35 years and is passionate about interpreting life from Heaven’s perspective. She is called to speak to the Body of Christ about the mountain of government, godly leadership, and Kingdom authority. Her blogs, videos, books, and other resources are available at wandaalger.me.

Editor’s Note: The transcript that follows was automatically generated and lightly edited, so please be aware there could be typos or other small errors. The Stream is working toward a transcription service that does fast, accurate, and reliable work; thank you in advance for your patience!

(00:01) You know, in this season of exposures within the church where sexual immorality is being called out, there’s also an issue of prophetic integrity. I continue to get emails and messages from people asking about the 2020 election prophecies. As prophetic accountability is really being scrutinized, there’s still some lingering questions about what’s happened within the prophetic movement in recent years.
(00:25) Now, I’ve somewhat addressed this in some of my recent videos, but I felt it was time to address some questions and to share some of my own journey and experience as a Trump prophet. I was a regular on Elijah Streams right after the 2020 election, and I’ve spoken some in recent videos and even past videos about my experience there, but there’s a lot I’ve never shared, and I feel like it’s time.
(00:51) I want to share some of the things that I got wrong and hopefully point out some things that I think I got right. Now, I know I’m speaking to several different kinds of groups of people. For those of you who have followed me since I started this channel in 2021, you followed me on this journey, but there’s still some lingering questions and things that I’ve never shared before that I think are going to be very helpful concerning all the content that I put out during that time. Now, there’s also a new group of
(01:19) individuals that have just joined this channel since the IHOP KC story broke back at the end of last year. And there’s been a lot of questions about the validity of prophetic ministry because of what happened at IHOP KC. So, I’m hoping to also answer some of those questions and perhaps give some more food for thought because really my ultimate goal here is in this time of reformation, there’s a lot of upgrades that are needed within the prophetic movement.
(01:49) I’ve been a part of this movement and as much as I’ve tried to clarify things in the last number of years, there’s a lot that I haven’t felt free to share until now. And I’m hoping that by giving some of the behind the curtain kinds of information and experiences that I had, it might be instructional.
(02:08) I want to acknowledge ways in which I missed it. And I’m going to make some suggestions for specifically the prophetic movement and those who operate in the prophetic for some things that I would like to suggest for the days ahead. Things that we can learn our lessons from the past so that we won’t we don’t keep repeating them in the future.
(02:29) So, I hope you hang with me as I take you on my personal journey as we learn those lessons from the past so we can better prepare for the [Music] future. Well, I’ve been wanting to make this video actually for a long time. I have kept silent in light of many of the questions that have come because I haven’t really known how to frame things and I’ve still been reflecting and pondering on my own journey myself.
(03:03) So I don’t know how long this video is going to be. In most videos I’m very time conscious and try to be as concise as possible but because of the kinds of things I’m going to be sharing I really felt of the Lord I need to give this time. So I will probably uh be providing chapter headings in the description of this video uh so that it will help uh you viewing it but I really want to be complete because context is so important and the kinds of things that I know I want to share and need to share. I want
(03:33) to make sure that I am thorough. Now I have a script here uh much more detailed than what I’ve ever had before because there’s certain things that I know I have to say. Now, I can’t speak for every prophet. This is my journey. These are things that I see, and this is by no means going to be complete.
(03:52) But I’m hoping that I can give you some things to think about. I don’t expect everybody to agree with my observations, my experience, my perceptions. I don’t mind disagreements. I like healthy conversation. And if anything, that’s one reason why I’m doing this video is this is one of the changes that we need in the coming days, especially as prophetic voices.
(04:14) We need to have much more collaboration, discussion, conversation about the things that we receive from the Lord. This has been part of the issue. We’ve been so much on our own. And so, I don’t mind those kinds of healthy conversations and debates. We can even agree to disagree. So, I’m going to be free uh in sharing my own experience and my own thoughts knowing that we’re all on journey together. Okay.
(04:40) Now, one of the things that uh we’ve talked about since the beginning of these exposures happened is that these aren’t just individual ministers or ministries that are being called out in recent months. This is a systemic problem. This is what the Lord has been highlighting is that we have come through an era really a generation and this is the kind of peers perspective that I want us to have as I share these things because this is the kind of perspective I’ve always had is a much bigger uh picture of what is God doing
(05:12) within the body of Christ? Where has he taken us from and where is he taking us to? We’re always growing. We’re always learning. And so even the mistakes in the past, I don’t want to forget that some of the things that uh happened in the last number of decades, they’ve not all been bad.
(05:31) As a matter of fact, there is some very positive and good things that were pioneered even by those that we are now criticizing. And so these are the kinds of things that we need to look at. They are systemic. And so this is how I want to frame it is even in terms of the values that we hold. You know, one of the things that is coming out in these exposures is how much there is a theme throughout all of these stories that gifting and anointing seems to have always been more important than a person’s character.
(06:05) This is something that we’re seeing in all of these uh ministries that are uh being uncovered and the ministers character is very important. Well, that’s a value. And I have to wonder if a lot of the issues that we’re having to deal with are not necessarily doctrinal or even understanding scripture because scripture is pretty clear about qualifications for leaders just as it’s pretty clear in terms of of prophecy.
(06:30) But I think what’s uh happened is that where our values have been placed, they’ve been misplaced. And so these are some of the things that that I really want to uh to highlight in terms of what are we valuing? Where is our focus? What is our goal? What is the end goal? Because of the kinds of things that have happened, especially since the 2020 election, prophecy has really come into disrepute.
(06:56) So many people are even questioning, is prophecy even good for us? Is it even healthy? National prophetic words. What do we do? As I said, there is an old value system and I’d like to suggest a new value system throughout all the things that I share. You know overall the old value system uh in the prophetic movement in the last number of decades it seems to be that we have valued gifts anointing power personalities and platforms.
(07:26) Now my my guess is that that was never intentional but that’s definitely the fruit. Uh it’s personality driven. It’s platform driven. But again I’m looking at our values. Those are some of the values that seem to be uh consistent. But the voices that are now emerging, and I would even say a lot of them are millennial voices, they’re valuing character.
(07:48) They want integrity, accountability, and actually homegrown ministry. And this is going to be a recurring theme uh that I have alluded to, others are calling for. Uh the Lord wants us to bring things back home to the local church because we are going into a new season. And one of the things that I also see as I’ve been talking with other people even offline, something that’s been prophesied for years and that I know the Lord has shown me even through some prophetic dreams is this coming together of the word and the spirit. Right now I think we’re just
(08:21) beginning to see a collision of the word and spirit because as I’ve said in past videos, I see teachers in the body of Christ really emerging. They are the ones who are bringing uh correction, bringing us back to sound doctrine, to what scripture says uh about not only sexual immorality, about leadership qualifications, but about prophetic ministry.
(08:44) And that’s good. You know, the scripture uh talks about and I think it was Jesus himself said uh there’s a difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Now it might be somewhat of a generalization but you know the word those who are centered on the word are primarily focused on the letter of the law and there is a place for that where we need to be accurate.
(09:05) We need to have integrity for what the word of God says but then prophets uh lean more towards the spirit of the law and I would definitely say that’s how I have generally been. the spirit of the law is very much in a a prophetic understanding. Uh because there’s things that you can’t just proof text with the scripture.
(09:27) Well, the reality is it’s not either or. It’s both. And we need the word and the spirit together. And that’s what I see the Lord bringing us into. That’s why we need healthy conversations. This is why we need pastors, teachers, prophets. We need a collaboration so that we can get the fullness of God’s heart in all of this.
(09:45) And this is this reformation. These are the changes uh that are needed. We are really going into a a whole new season of uh ministry empowered by the Holy Spirit. And this to me is exciting. And it’s interesting that you know some of the comments that I hear especially from the new generation the millennials uh you know me being in this space I seem to be identified with the older generation which is fine.
(10:15) I am a boomer and yet uh I don’t think like one. I’ve I’ve always had a vision for years of where God was taking us. And maybe I kind of feel like a Caleb. You know, Caleb went through the wilderness with Moses, uh, the Moses generation. You know, Moses was the man of God at that time.
(10:35) He went up to the mountain, got the word of the Lord, brought it back to the people. The people lived on the supernatural on a daily basis. The daily man, I mean, they saw signs, wonders, and miracles. But yet, that wasn’t the end goal. That wasn’t what it was all about. It was a means to getting them into the promised land.
(10:51) So, when Joshua emerged, the Joshua generation, they’re ready to go in. And uh that’s I think a little bit where I see God is is taking us into a new place of understanding this combination of word and spirit. And in scriptures, Caleb, he had a different spirit. Didn’t matter what his age was. He saw where he was going.
(11:13) So I don’t know. I am looking for other boomers that might feel like me that you just have the spirit in you. You’re ready to go. We’re not sitting back and like we’re done. In many ways, I feel like I’m just starting. I am ready to engage in the changes that God has for us in the new things that is a are ahead for us.
(11:35) Um, I’m really excited to be a part of it. So, even in sharing these things, uh, I am very excited about what God himself is doing. Now, one of the things that I want to start with before I get into the nitty-gritty is context. This is so important. If we want to have a proper prophetic perspective, there are some values that I have had through the years that I want to make sure that you understand because I think these are things that we need to shore up in in the prophetic movement as prophetic voices.
(12:06) I think we’ve done some in the past, but we need to do much more because again, this isn’t about just being a prophet. Is it is about being a prophetic people. Uh you know, the apostle Paul said, “I wish that you would all prophesy.” Prophesy is simply hearing God’s voice. This is this is the core value is is hearing God’s voice ourselves. Okay.
(12:26) So, a number of things that I simply want to point out in order to have context. Number one, do you really do we really understand the spiritual gifts as taught in the New Testament? I mean, there’s been a lot of teaching through the years about spiritual gifts, but there’s so many variations on how we steward them.
(12:45) I personally don’t think that we have begun to really explore uh all the fullness of what God intends for the spiritual gifts. I didn’t even think in terms of the spiritual gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12 that I even operated in any. And by and large, I believe the prophetic movement, my observation and even the feeling that I got for years, everything was lumped into prophecy.
(13:10) And there’s a number of gifts that are listed there in 1 Corinthians 12. there’s, you know, encourage words of encouragement, words of wisdom, there’s faith. Everything seems to be lumped into prophecy. I’m going to suggest we need to change that. And it’s not a matter of labeling things, but it’s a matter of how we steward them because for me personally, this was huge.
(13:32) Um, and it it wasn’t until really my whole prophetic journey by and large started about 25 years ago in 2002 when uh when I had an angelic visitation in the middle of the night. I’ve shared about it before uh where an an angel literally came into my room. I saw it. The glory of the Lord filled filled the room and it was very brief.
(13:54) But through that encounter, something changed. And I didn’t know for years what had happened. Uh but what I realized later because of the fruit that came is I believe that there was a gift of wisdom that was imparted because it started showing up in my dreams. You know the the dreams that I started having were much more colorful.
(14:12) They were detailed. They gave insights. There were parables in the night. That’s how the Lord began to to uh speak to me was through dreams. He would teach me. And you know, I’ve done a lot of teaching on this before. Again, I’m not going to make this into a teaching video, but I understood as I was going through years of boot camp and just learning how to interpret these parables, the Lord was giving me insight in how to pray because that’s really been my own personal journey uh by and large was as a
(14:42) prophetic intercessor. The Lord was showing me how to pray for the church, the body of Christ, and yes, for the nation. Um and so through the years because of the fruit and it was really other people who eventually it was a number of years later that I actually understood what God had done simply because of what people kept telling me.
(15:03) They would say Wanda whenever I hear you speak I just I have a revelation. I never thought about this before. You give me such wisdom. I didn’t know that. And so basically determining, you know, what God is doing and how he’s operating the gifts for me simply by the fruit and and what people would report back to me.
(15:24) My primary gifts in in all of my journey has not been prophecy. It’s actually been wisdom, a gift of faith, and discerning of spirits. I don’t I don’t uh you know make a big deal of it necessarily because I’ve never seen them as trophies. you know, uh, but they’re tools and these are the things that I have usually written about in terms of the insights that God gives in terms of understanding God’s ways, his heart, what he’s doing with us as believers.
(15:57) Those are really have been my my main gifts. It hasn’t been prophecy. Do we really understand uh the spiritual gifts celebrating all of them and not just always focus on prophecy? You know, there’s also two other references to spiritual gifts in the New Testament. Another one is in Romans 12, you know, and there’s a lot of teachings on that.
(16:17) The motivational gifts, the redemptive gifts. I’ve done a lot of teaching on this. And, you know, for those who are Bible teachers, uh, you know, this is not a a doctrine and there there’s not a lot of proof texting that that one can give for how those should function or what they’re for.
(16:35) Uh but for me when I teach on those gifts because there’s seven different gifts listed in Romans 12, the reason that they’ve been helpful for me is it because it helps me to know how to steward how the Holy Spirit is working in my life because for me in terms of motivation based in Romans 12, my primary gift throughout the years has not been prophecy, it’s been leadership.
(16:57) uh every kind of test or evaluation that I’ve taken about spiritual gifts that always comes out on top. I it’s being a a leader who has a a big vision and is looking at where God is taking us. This has always been my primary motivator in what I teach in in the insights that I give when I do prophesy.
(17:21) It is unto where is God taking us? What what is he doing within us as leaders as a people of God? How can we be healthy? How how can we really walk into the things that God has for us? I want you to understand that because where a prophet uh comes from is very important. You know, what motivates them? What are they doing it unto? More importantly, what is their perspective in the bigger picture of things? And I’m I’m going to reference this because this is going to help us to understand even as we get into the 2020
(17:50) elections and what some of the prophets said. Context and perspective and a broader understanding of what God is doing is huge. Now another value if we want to have proper perspective, prophetic perspective is understanding five-fold ministry. Now there’s been uh you know there’s still division within the church about five-fold ministries.
(18:14) And if uh you’re questioning the NR, which I’ve done some videos on that, uh pretty much anyone that is associated with NR, New Apostolic Reformation, it’s tied to this whole understanding of five-fold ministry. Now, again, the five-fold ministry which is brought out in Ephesians 4, it’s not a doctrine.
(18:34) And for me, my context is within the local church. Those of you who follow me know I’m married to a pastor. We’ve been in involved in the local church since day one. And so that’s the context that I always come from. And it’s from that understanding of a local context of five-fold ministry of a leadership gift because that’s how I view those those five-fold, you know, the apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher, and evangelist. They’re leadership roles.
(19:00) I’ve never focused I’ I’ve avoided focusing on labels. For those of you who have followed me, I rarely call myself a prophet because that that’s one of the downsides of the past generation is that everyone’s labeled a prophet. I mean, I’ve I’ve gone when I’ve done some traveling, I go to churches and and I they ask me, “Okay, should we call you prophet? Do you want us to call you pastor?” I say, “No, just call me Wanda.” That that’s who I am. I’m Wanda.
(19:27) Because the fact is I operate in several gifts. All of us do. There’s not just one. And so, I want to leave it open. I don’t want to be put in a box. The fact is some of the things that I share even on this channel, I’m not sharing as a prophet. I’m sharing as a teacher. Other times I’m sharing it as a leader.
(19:44) Other times I’m sharing it as a spiritual mom. And so I’m my focus is on what is the heart of God and let the fruit speak for itself. But in in terms of five-fold ministry, understanding that for me from from the very beginning, I understand being a prophet is not about prophesying.
(20:07) And I had to deal with that because as I looked at my own gifts, I felt like I how can I be labeled a prophet because I don’t I don’t prophesy a lot. The things that I would share with people generally, they always came when I started praying for people and then things would just come and and I would share what the Lord would put on my heart and then people afterwards would say, “Oh man, that prophetic word you had for me was right on.
(20:30) ” And I was thinking, I just shared what I felt come to me. I wouldn’t have labeled it a prophecy. Five-fold ministers based in Ephesians 4 are for the purpose of equipping and empowering others. That is my primary understanding. It always has been of what a five-fold leader is. And specifically in terms of a prophet.
(20:55) I actually believe that some of the prophets of the past season are probably not even according to scripture a true five-fold minister. Just because one has a strong gift of prophecy does not make them a prophet. Because how I define five-fold ministers based in in Ephesians 4, it’s those who empower and equip others. They’re servant leaders.
(21:14) It’s much more about uh empowering others to learn who they are in their gift and see them succeed and inspire them. It’s not about building a platform or a ministry myself. And so this has always been my understanding of five-fold ministry. It’s one of the reasons that that I we need to do a lot more teaching on it.
(21:34) Not many churches talk about this. And I know that there are those in the body of Christ that don’t even believe in five-fold ministry. We we got a lot of homework, okay? And we need to have some healthy conversation about it. But for me, again, I have always focused on what is the grace that God has given me and what what do I do to equip and empower others because that’s the call.
(22:00) Now, some of those because that actually I already went into my third point. The value is understanding what a prophet is and isn’t. I this is still uh we have an old mindset of what a prophet is. We’re we’re still even mixing up you know the Old Testament prophets with New Testament prophets. And these are things we need to clarify in the days to come.
(22:21) And I want to give a couple scriptures that are very important to me in in how I have functioned okay as a voice. Numbers 12 6 to8. And he said, “Hear my words. If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision. I speak with him in a dream. Not so with my servant Moses.
(22:43) He is faithful in all my house. And with him I speak mouthto mouth clearly and not in riddles. And he beholds the form of the Lord.” Now obviously this is Old Testament, okay? But notice how God speaks to prophets through dreams and visions. That’s really not changed. But now today, he speaks to anybody. He speaks to all of us through through different means of revelation where he is revealing who he is to us. Okay.
(23:11) Well, that’s part of the prophetic uh anointing, a prophetic gift at work. It’s through dreams and visions. So, that can certainly mark uh someone that has a prophetic gift. But I love what it says about Moses as well is that actually dreams and visions are not the highest form of prophetic revelation.
(23:30) They’re actually one of the lowest. Moses had a relationship with God where there was such an intimacy. The time spent, it was heart-to-heart. God didn’t need to speak to him in dreams and visions. He spoke with him face to face. I know when I first read that years ago, it was a it really challenged me because I felt like that really is God’s heart.
(23:53) Let’s not make dreams and visions the ultimate. Let’s make that personal relationship with the Lord, a face-to-face encounter where we know his heart. He knows us. That’s what he longs for. It’s relationship. Now, some uh scriptures of the New Testament that clearly uh that helps us to clarify prophet. 1 Corinthians 14:3.
(24:15) On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. So, this is talking about prophecy being uh being a word that uh lifts up, that encourages, that edifies, that exhorts. And by and large, that’s true. Although, I found it interesting when I read this just yesterday.
(24:37) I hadn’t thought about it before. As I just explained, I haven’t had a a strong gift of, you know, personal prophecy um or or even, you know, corporate prophecy. It’s usually been the insights that God gives me and how to pray. And so when I saw that, I realized, oh, okay. So, when you are prophesying, yes, it should be for building up and encouraging.
(25:01) But there’s been a question about, well, what about corrective words, words of of rebuke or admonition? Is that what prophets should do? Well, then I looked at 2 Timothy 3:16, which says, “All scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.
(25:24) ” Well, then I had to think, okay, well, it’s valid. The word of God written, but possibly also a Rama word, that insight, revelation. The word of God is meant to reprove, to correct. But could it be that that actually is much more a mark of a teacher rather than a prophet? I’d never thought about that before.
(25:47) I mean, this is where have labels ended up putting people in boxes and and that we have misapplied some things that yes, there is a place for reproof for correction. I mean, look what’s happening right now in all of these exposures. Who’s bringing the most correction? It’s a lot of teachers who are taking us back to scriptures as to what the standard is, you know, according to God’s word.
(26:08) Well, that’s good. We can receive it from them because that’s a grace on their life. My point is, I think we need to take another look at some of these scriptures and and take off some of the labels that we’ve had and the presumptions that we’ve had of how gifts should operate and even how five-fold ministers should operate. Um, I just don’t like labels.
(26:30) Okay, another scripture 1 Corinthians 13:2. And if I have prophetic powers and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I’m nothing. Now, I like this because this does highlight some of the prophetic grace.
(26:56) Why does God speak prophetically? There is an aspect of the revelation of the supernatural realm, the spiritual realm, God’s realm, God’s world. This is what I believe is is really the core of the prophetic gifts. It is not predictions. It is an understanding of what’s happening in the spiritual realm to see what God sees, to look at what he’s looking at in the future and even in the present to understand what he’s doing right now.
(27:27) so that he can take us to where he wants to take us. And so he does share mysteries about his world, about who he is and how he works. To me, that is what the dreams and visions can often illustrate is is things that we can’t see in the natural, we can’t understand in the natural. That is really a part of that prophetic function uh and gift is to help us to see that.
(27:52) Oh, mysteries and knowledge. Yeah, that can be a part of it. And then if I have all faith, like I said, the faith, the gift of faith is huge in my life. It marks much of what I share. It’s actually what what kind of set me up to even get involved in the uh national scene and in in the government and yes, even the politics and in some of the conspiracy theories.
(28:19) It’s because the way that I uh I’ve always viewed things is through a gift of faith. And I can say it’s a gift because it doesn’t make any sense. Well, when you’re operating in a gift of faith, anything is possible. You’re not limited by what you see and by what you understand.
(28:36) And to me, this has been uh very much a motivator in what I’m calling out in the body of Christ. And what I always have is, are we operating in faith? Faith. I mean Jesus said am I going to find faith when I return? You know what do you believe in? What are the possibilities? God is a creative God. I mean he can do anything.
(28:56) Anything is possible. Okay. So this is a this is a gift and he wants us to think that way but in terms of the spiritual gifts he’s saying hey all that’s really good but if you don’t love well that doesn’t matter. And this is where our challenge is is that as we are contending for integrity in the gifts of the spirit, as we are wanting to understand how to function better as uh five-fold ministers and in the the prophetic movement, we’ve got to love well.
(29:28) Even in all these disagreements, we have to love well. Love the way that the father loves. I mean, I shared in my last video just how the Lord brought that to my attention again recently is just his heart for people and even those who are wrong, even those who are, you know, misapplying things, misinterpreting things, teaching things that are are are not in accordance with God’s word.
(29:50) What does it look like to really bring that kind of correction in love? This has been a a large part of my own framework and perspective as I have shared prophetic content. The other thing that I wanted to highlight was just knowing knowing your call, commission, and primary field assignment.
(30:11) Again, I’m speaking to the prophetic movement and to even prophets. if if someone is called as a prophet. For me, I’ve had to um take into account what God has really called me to. There’s a scripture that um in Romans 12 3-5, the apostle Paul talks about uh primary fields that leaders are called to. And this is really important.
(30:36) Uh he says here, “For by the grace given to me, I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned. For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, so we though many are one body in Christ and individually members one of another.
(31:05) ” The reason I bring this up is that even as uh and this could be true for a pastor, for a teacher, for an evangelist. I mean, it’s not just for prophets, for leaders, there is a a measure of faith and even a field that God has assigned where his grace functions. Um and and the faith is important because that’s what gives you the confidence to minister in that field that God has assigned.
(31:35) It gives you the confidence to know that no, God is the one who has given me the authority, the right to even lead or speak into this field. What’s a field? Well, for a pastor, it would be his congregation. That’s his primary field. Other pastors are called to cities. Okay? That’s an assignment that the Lord has given grace to think bigger than just one congregation. You’ve got a field.
(31:57) There can also be fields that are are given to, you know, certain um areas of our culture because some are called to the church, some are called to the nation. And this is where it really hit me personally because when I was commissioned by the Lord. It was in 2012 that I knew that the Lord had called me and it was uh in a in a conference where I mean the spirit of God came because I was grappling with I knew that I was called but I didn’t know where I fit.
(32:27) And he very specifically I wrote it down. He said Wanda I have called you as a prophet to the church. Now, see, to me, that was huge because he showed me exactly who he wanted me primarily to speak to. And the reason that’s important is because he did not call me as a prophet to the nation.
(32:48) Because those are two different calls. They’re two different assignments and different levels of grace. Now, I’m going to get into that soon here of how I was brought into that national sphere and into the national government because of things that he had shown me. But it was a special assignment. it it wasn’t the primary call on my life.
(33:06) And so this is this is why for anyone who is called even to into leadership again if we’re speaking to the prophetic movement for prophets where are you called? Where is that grace? I believe some are called just within the local context and that’s really where it should start because that’s where your accountability is.
(33:23) it’s at home and and we’ve focused so much on these platform ministries uh that we’ve forgotten wait a minute I because this is where we’ve gotten off track and the lack of accountability is in the local church I believe that’s where many of these leadership roles um need to start and and it’s maybe where a lot of them will kind of end so to speak and that that’s the primary field that God has called us to.
(33:50) This is really important that that we know this. And one of the other things that the Lord uh told me at that time in 2012, very specific instruction, he said, “There are those that want to touch my glory. Do not touch my glory.” He already gave me a heads up as to what specifically the message he wanted me to carry. Purity of heart.
(34:15) I mean, he was very clear with me. Want to keep your heart pure. And and there’s a whole lot in there I could unpack, but I’ve held that very close to my heart and and that’s why I’ve been want to want to speak to purity and integrity and accountability because of the things that we’ve come out of.
(34:37) And as I said, I’ve I’ve also realized that all of the gifts of the spirit, even up to, you know, 2012, I mean, I had been I had been dreaming already and kind of practicing the gifts of the spirit in my home base for for about 10 years. And I realized that all these spiritual gifts are just tools. They’re not forming my identity.
(34:54) They’re just tools uh to which you know the Lord is is calling me into this assignment in this field. The other aspect I’d already spoken to is how important our faith is. This again is a primary motivator in why I spoke some of the things that I did in 2016 up and through 2020 and even in sub in subsequent months and years.
(35:21) It’s how important faith must be in the life of a believer. I saw years ago even through some of the dreams that God gave and in one of the first books that that I published in 2017, Oracles of Grace, of this reality that there’s so much unbelief that’s rampant in the earth. I’ve seen it in this nation and I saw it in the church and the the lack of faith or ability to perceive the unseen realm.
(35:49) And this is one of the reasons why I applaud those who have gone before in the previous generation in the prophetic movement. I believe because of what they pioneered in terms of bringing attention to the supernatural realm that was that was of the Lord. I mean if you think back 30 years ago um so many things that we probably assume today they weren’t always like that.
(36:15) talking about signs, wonders, and miracles, talking about uh you know, even spiritual warfare or understanding our authority as a believer. These are things that were pioneered from the last generation that we need to be thankful for. Yes, we’ve gotten off track on some things, but again, when you see the bigger picture of church history and where God is taking us, we can pull out that gold and and we can hang on to it.
(36:41) But faith has always been a factor. Can we believe that anything is possible? I mean this is one of the things that even you know as the teachers are coming forward right now to not only challenge uh some of these leaders in terms of leadership qualifications so much of the prophetic is being highly scrutinized and questioned.
(37:01) You know one of the examples is gold dust and these glory clouds. And some of the teachers that I hear from, I mean, they outright mock even the possibility that that, you know, that’s real. And my my approach would be, is that possible? Could God do that? Why not? See, that’s where faith comes in. If we don’t even first address, is it even possible that God might do something like that? At least then we can have an honest discussion of, okay, if he would, do we even know how that might look? I mean, what does his word say? It’s pretty much proven throughout
(37:35) scripture that when God does things, they can appear foolish to men. I mean, God seems to have a habit of offending our minds in order to reach our hearts in order to stretch us and challenge us. So, faith is huge. Uh, and I think this has been one of the biggest roadblocks both personally and corporately is unbelief.
(37:58) and and this is really what drew me even into uh some of the things that happened on the national scene. So just to summarize again these values this I’m giving context I’m giving a perspective that has impacted me as a prophetic voice uh in understanding the gifts of the spirit all of them and and some of the labels that we have used and some of the expectations and presumptions that we’ve had about these gifts and those who operate in them.
(38:28) uh we need to look much more carefully at what scripture says in order that we steward them well. It’s not so that we can, you know, put labels on people, but it’s so we can rightly celebrate the fullness of the Holy Spirit, you know, could be, could it be? Even the gifts of the spirit that are listed, it’s not all of them.
(38:48) I mean, who’s to say that there’s not more? So, this gets at the idea. Let’s expand our thinking um you know, to to really explore this. The other thing that I have in my notes here before I go on to we’re going to talk next about bridging the gap between church and government is that in the past season some of the old values have been many of the prophets the question is where’s the accountability and because the focus has been the value has been a power personality or platform ministry there hasn’t been a lot of local
(39:24) accountability and as we’ve said before in the in charismatic movement by and large the way that ministries are even governed. It’s you know the the person at the top that has their own board. Beyond that there’s really no accountability. So this is this goes to the prophetic movement as well because prophets by their nature and and I can speak personally when there’s when there’s that grace realize as a prophetic voice the things that the Lord shows me I know many times people are not going to agree. They’re not going to
(39:54) get it and I’m probably going to be misunderstood. I’m going to be misqued. Um because oftentimes you’re pioneering something new. You’re seeing something that most other people don’t. There’s risk to that. And so there there’s all kinds of reasons why prophets tend to be loners.
(40:12) Okay? That that that’s our our greatest strength, but it’s the greatest weakness because because prophets tend to be loners. Um and there’s some self-p protection, you know, that’s built into that because of the criticism that’s constantly received. We got to break through that. And that goes to, you know, one of the character issues that prophets have to deal with is is you got you got to be secure in who you are as a son and daughter of of God first and foremost.
(40:39) You know, I am not I don’t think of myself as a prophet. I’m a daughter of God. I’m a child of God first and foremost. These things, they’re all temporary anyway. You know, when we go to heaven, none of this is going to be important. And so we have to have things in in proper order. Uh and in terms of accountability, this is where again the collective is going to be so important.
(41:04) Okay. Next chapter here, bridging the gap between church and government. This again is helping to understand how do we get involved in politics? And this is for those of you who have, you know, jumped on and especially for the millennials. Uh I don’t want to just put it on the millennials, but you know there so many we don’t like to mix politics, you know, with our faith.
(41:27) Well, I don’t either. I’ve said this repeatedly through the years. I don’t like to talk about politics. I’ve never been interested in politics, but because I’m a leader and the majority of my life has been on the local church and I’ve seen examples of good leadership and bad leadership.
(41:44) And this has always been a passion of mine. This is why in my book moving from sword to scepter it’s all about healthy leadership. Okay. Well, I see it in the government as well and I see so many of the patterns that are set um and this whole area of the church’s role within our culture and with our government.
(42:06) Uh we need to unpack that because there’s a lot of division in the body of Christ about it. I think some of it is terminology. Uh I’ve heard recent definitions of Christian nationalism uh that when I read it, I’m thinking to myself that doesn’t that doesn’t suggest at all how I view things. Uh there’s so many variations.
(42:28) And I think there’s a healthy way to unpack this because for me it’s never been a question of should Christians be involved in politics. That’s the wrong question. I’m looking at as a believer and follower in Christ, we’re supposed to be impacting everybody. Okay? I mean, there’s there’s a number of scriptures here.
(42:46) One is Psalm 22:27-28. All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before you, for kingship belongs to the Lord, and he rules over nations. God loves nations, peoples, families, and Jesus said, “Go and disciple all nations.
(43:13) ” How do we properly understand that? Because in in past years, there’s been no question that uh we have to be more involved. Now, not everyone is called to this. And I had to think, you know, is for for those who really have been talking more about the political realm, the government realm, perhaps it is a mission field.
(43:33) Not everybody is called to it. But the fact is we are all impacted by it. That’s the reality. And so we have to have a proper vision and a proper understanding of what God has in mind. Um, and really this is what ended up drawing me into then even the 2016 election when Donald Trump came on the scene.
(43:57) Up until that point, uh, even during Obama’s tenure, I had had numerous prophetic dreams that as a prophetic intercessor, the Lord was showing me the spiritual warfare that was going on in this nation. It wasn’t about politics. It was about principalities and powers that were at work in the nation. and see understanding deliverance a and spiritual warfare.
(44:22) I’ve been enough uh through enough personally and as a leader in the body of Christ and and helping others in deliverance issues. I understood enough to know that anyone that’s at the top of an organization at any level depending upon where they’re at spiritually, they are going to open or close doors to the people that are underneath them. That happens in government.
(44:42) And that’s what the Lord showed me repeatedly in dreams, especially during Obama’s tenure, of all the doors that were opened to wickedness and what it had unleashed on this nation. And it showed up by the laws that were being passed by those that were being put into into office and what was happening.
(45:04) And and this is going to eventually get into even one’s esquetology and what you believe is really happening uh you know in the world in terms of what God is doing. Okay? And there’s so many factors here that have determined even what prophets have been saying. Okay? But for me this was huge of what I saw happening in the national sphere that was impacting the church.
(45:26) Now, during this time, I actually started working with Intercessors for America, who their national headquarters just happens to be down the road, about a half hour from where we live in Virginia. And it was just a sovereign connection with that ministry. And I eventually joined staff. And so, being a part of that ministry uh was an amazing opportunity to to be right up and we took many trips into Washington DC and experienced uh you know, what it was like in that.
(45:53) And I can tell you though, I mean, talk about principalities uh and spiritual warfare. Uh I mean, I can I always felt it when I got got into DC. You always felt the the the oppression uh and the control, the manipulation and the corruption that was there. And so all of these things had been uh building for years in terms of what the Lord had been instructing me to even write about and to post about was calling the church into this place.
(46:22) Do you see what’s happening in the spirit? Do you understand the spiritual warfare and how we are we are being called into this? We can make a difference not only through our prayers because for a long time it was just in our prayers just just keep praying about it but it g came to the point where it was evident wait a minute we need to get involved okay it’s not just enough to pray we got to get engaged and again this this is a mission field that some have been very passionate about and I think that’s
(46:48) fine. So when Donald Trump came on the scene in 2016, where the church was at at that point, um you know, there’s a lot of controversy surrounding this person. And at that time, what I saw over and above uh anything else was a huge spirit of unbelief that the church by and large was so focused on Donald Trump’s character flaws.
(47:16) Uh there was still this expectation we need a Christian president or we need someone that looks like us that sounds like us. And for me, I saw something different. And and some of this is based and and I go into detail on this in in my book, Moving from Sword to Scepter, of God’s qualifications for a civil leader, not a pastor, not a church leader, but someone who runs a country.
(47:40) Romans 13:3 and4. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good and you will receive his approval. For he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid. For he does not bear the sword in vain.
(48:05) For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. This is God’s definition of someone who runs a country, a nation, a civil authority. Their role is to deal with the wrongdoer. I mean, even bring the fear of God on them. When I saw the principalities at work in the nation, even back in 2016, I knew enough about deliverance that if there was going to be someone that was going to lead this country, that was going to be in that seat of authority to open and close doors, it needed to be someone that that had God’s
(48:42) favor to even do that personally. And so many things struck me about Donald Trump because I wasn’t focused on his character like everyone else in terms of sins of the past. Not that I wasn’t focused on his character. Of course I was. But the the majority of sins that were brought up, they they were much more of the past in terms of his marriage failures. Okay.
(49:04) Uh and his personal uh morality. Yeah. Not so good. But what I saw uh was he wasn’t bought and paid for by political parties. Uh, and this would be proven in subsequent years of how generous he was to people. And I mean, he he handed the gift of of an exhorter. I mean, talk about the Romans 12 gifts. He was an exhorter.
(49:26) That’s why he made friends with Democrats, Republicans, it didn’t matter. He he rubs shoulders with with everybody. That’s what I saw in him right away is that he can get along. He’s a networker. He he doesn’t let labels uh, you know, bother him. He also had an amazing track record as a father.
(49:41) you know, regardless of his moral failings in his marriages, his own children testified to how faithful and how good he was as a father. And that was an aspect. It it was huge to me because I felt even the Lord’s heart is that there needs to be someone in that seat of authority that actually cares about this country, that actually cares about Americans as a spiritual father would.
(50:08) And those were some of the dreams that the Lord gave me was really highlighting that. So, you know, all of these qualities uh through it all, I had a conviction. I knew that the Lord had specifically chosen this man given all his failings and weaknesses that he was in a position like few others could be to actually deal with and stand against the principalities and powers that were aligned against this nation.
(50:34) Not because I’m a nationalist, not because the United States is any more special than any other nation, but because God loves nations and that there is a destiny on this nation and that the enemy wants to subvert those plans and totally kidnap and hijack the people of this nation to do his bidding.
(50:55) And I saw that God had already made provision. He didn’t want that. This nation does have a destiny. And so that’s what I started contending for. So when he was elected in 2016, you know, we saw a lot of what he he brought and so many things that I saw about who he was and why God chose him.
(51:17) It was proven between 2016 and 2020. The problem was is he didn’t have much support. Uh and that’s what became very evident is just how corrupt uh the whole system was. And you know getting into even the political sphere realizing everyone was corrupt. You know there was no good party. I mean maybe some you know the Republicans had uh had some better uh values uh within their system.
(51:47) There were corrupted individuals everywhere. Uh and so it was a wake-up call for many uh who had been contending you know for this breakthrough is that this this problem is actually a lot bigger than what we realize. And so when 2020 comes, okay, well, when 2020 came for me, I knew he wasn’t done. President Trump was not done. So much had been exposed.
(52:12) And of course, COVID had just started in 2019. That’s when it broke out. And there were so many things about this whole scenario that to me it was uh a growing realization of not only the the level of corruption but evil and wicked plotting that were h that was happening behind the scenes to take this country down to take him down to take anyone who had any kind of morality and biblical values. Uh, I mean, we had an enemy.
(52:40) Witchcraft, you know, and wickedness, it was front and center, you know, and this was prophesied years ago as well. But I mean, I think we’ve we would all agree that the kinds of things that we’ve seen in the news and people say and do in the last number of years, it’s been to levels we never could have dreamed of perhaps even 10 years ago.
(53:00) It is so blatant. Uh, and that became very evident. And so as I began to see this, I knew his assignment is not done because what I felt in my heart and and this was the revelation that I got and this is going to get into now even in becoming known as a Trump prophet. The revelation that I had about him, I knew that he was on this mission.
(53:28) He had an assignment until the global swamp was drained. Okay? I mean that that phrase it really did sum up even spiritually what I felt that that God wanted to do. Again I had a lot of different dreams about this that the Lord said yes this is what I am doing. This is how I want to use him. This is what I want you to pray for.
(53:49) So the idea that he would uh that he was not relevant anymore or that again back in 2020 I mean there was half the church was still divided. Half the church still didn’t even like the guy. And so to me it was half half the church doesn’t even see the spiritual warfare. All you’re looking at is things in the natural.
(54:09) They’re still hyping about is tweets. I’m like you’re totally missing the bigger picture here. And so at that time that was my conviction was that he’s not done yet. But here is the beginning uh probably not the beginning of where I missed some things is that I did not I could not imagine him not being in that seat as the president because I thought I thought presumed that’s the only way he can fulfill that call.
(54:43) That’s the only way that he can really fulfill this mission. He has to be president. What what else is there? And so this is where the most important part of what I got wrong was taking that revelation of who President uh Trump was, the role and the assignment that he had and presuming of how it should be applied because I couldn’t imagine anything different.
(55:05) And so that’s really what I was contending for. And again, it was being fueled by this faith in the unseen realm, this conviction that the church had yet to understand that the true nature of the warfare. This was not about a man’s uh you know character flaws from the past or or his supposed meanness or whatever.
(55:23) I just a lot bigger issues. Okay. Well, after the the election, okay, and his seeming loss, of course, those couple of months there uh were very chaotic. And I made a video at the end of 2020 that ended up going viral. It shocked me. Uh, it currently stands at 866,000 views. Oh, when that happened, I knew that was not me.
(55:56) I mean, it wasn’t I didn’t even have my channel yet. We put it on my church channel for whatever reason. It showed up everywhere. It was a viral video of me sharing a prophetic dream that one of my intercessors had had three years prior that I felt was giving a picture of what was happening and what was going to happen in the church.
(56:19) And when it went viral like that, I knew, okay, God, why did you do this? I’m not I’m not anybody. Why would that go viral? Why why would people want to know about this? I mean, it showed the desperation and the hunger for so many people wanting to know what was going on. Well, I went back and I reviewed that video again this week because again, to my point here of why I’m making this video, I want to take uh responsibility for anything that I have prophesied or dates that I have given that need to be corrected. Well, if you
(56:48) if you watch that video, I didn’t prophesy anything and I purposely avoided giving any dates. However, the assumption uh that I had and the and the message that was given, he has to be reinstated. There’s no other option based upon the revelation about who he is and what his mission and mandate is.
(57:12) It has to be overturned. That’s where I got it wrong. I was presuming upon that. And yet, as I listened again to it, it was the consistent message of I was calling for faith, calling for people to look past what’s in the scene realm and to consider what God was doing. There was a collective witness as well during that time.
(57:35) It wasn’t only dreams that I had. There were uh I was getting emails and on my Facebook page, people were sending me dreams and vision. People had them all over the world. I’ll never forget Johnny Enllo posted on his Facebook page. Perhaps some of you remember he asked the question, you know, so what are you all getting? What what’s the Lord showing you? He got hundreds of responses from people all over the world.
(58:02) And these weren’t prophets. These were these are people. Some of them had never had a a vision before or or a dream before. And they were all saying the same thing. God was not done with President Trump. and that many of them seemed to indicate that he was going to take Biden’s place, that there was going to be a a switch.
(58:22) Now, again, we were assuming it was going to be in 2020, that he had to be in that seat as president in order to fulfill that. But my point is this was not just a few prophets, okay, that that were up on a platform trying to u make people believe something. For me, there was such overwhelming evidence, a collective witness uh that people were seeing and understanding the same spiritual reality what God was actually wanting to accomplish in the big picture that I knew, okay, this this is God.
(59:00) This isn’t just a few of us. So, we held fast. And thus, you know, after uh you know, the inauguration of Biden, oh yeah, it was like, what in the world? what in the world happened? Now, I did want to um yeah, before I go on to this about after January 20, I want to bring up a scripture, but this is when the prophet uh Samuel confronted Saul.
(59:28) When Saul uh disregarded the word of the Lord and did things his way, has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of divination, witchcraft, and presumption is as iniquity and idolatry.
(59:59) I believe that it’s at the beginning of 2020, many prophetic voices, we started to veer into some presumption. For me, I’m just going to speak for myself. Uh this was the the biggest mistake that I made and getting caught up in a level of energy and and passion and zeal that led to presumption and led to idolatry of the prophetic.
(1:00:26) Okay, so this this is kind of where I’m headed. Uh but I’m going to reference this scripture again because after January 20 when Biden uh was seemingly inaugurated uh oh that brought up a lot of questions because at that time again many who had seen the same thing that I had it didn’t make sense.
(1:00:49) Now, here’s here’s the thing is people say, “But there were prophets that prophesied a Biden win.” And true, there was. For me personally, the reason that it was very hard to accept those prophets as well, they were right, was because of other, and this is a generalization, okay? Because I there’s so many voices out there.
(1:01:09) I didn’t follow them all, but but some who were uh fairly prominent. what they added to that I couldn’t agree with. Uh because there were some who prophesied yes, Biden would win, but their reasoning was because God was done with Trump or they didn’t like Trump or they cited all his faults and why he was now disqualified.
(1:01:30) Well, I didn’t agree with that. They may have prophesied correctly that Biden would win, but their whole reasoning, their perspective, in my opinion, was off. There were also some who totally missed the spiritual warfare that was actually happening, the the the reality of this global corruption, the the levels of corruption and how long this has gone on that they weren’t even acknowledging that some of them also had because of their esquetology an assumption.
(1:02:01) They presumed as well that God was purposely taking us into uh you know dangerous territory. things were going to get worse and worse because the rapture was happening soon. And so there was a whole host of other things that got attached to some of those Biden win prophecies that I felt personally, no, you’re you’re totally missing the bigger picture.
(1:02:21) So why would I say, “Yeah, they got it right.” See, for me, it was not just about a Trump win. It was about something much bigger. And here in lies the challenge that we’ve had in trying to address or confront those wrong prophecies is because it wasn’t just about winning an election.
(1:02:41) There’s so much more that is attached to it. Um and this is where in subsequent years between 2020 and up through last year 2024 there’s been so many other issues that have come into play. I mean, COVID, you know, and all the disagreements about that and then, you know, the jabs and what those were and what they weren’t.
(1:03:06) Now, for my estimation, by and large, it was the Trump prophets, those who were contending for him that accurately described what was actually going on with that virus and even with the jabs and with the level of corruption and the evil intent behind all of that. Those were the voices that were actually getting it right.
(1:03:31) And so, and there were other voices, you know, prophets that were totally on another wavelength. They were still talking about revival and, you know, the ne the next election and other ideas that God had because Trump was so bad. We’re talking, do we have a big perspective here of what God is even doing? And I would probably liken this to esquetology because it really does go to what is your worldview? What is it that God’s really doing? Uh there’s a lot of disagreement and there probably always will be.
(1:04:02) That’s the reality. Uh and some of these you can’t prove it one way or the other. And and I’m going to get to that. I’m jumping ahead. But it’s become a disputable matter. Okay. So the other thing that was happening that really impacted this whole thing is that there was a counternarrative that began to emerge after January 20 and that was concerning all the conspiracy theories.
(1:04:29) the Q narrative that there was actually a counter an intelligence operation going on behind the scenes because the United States was actually not a a constitutional republic but had been uh taken over by the globalists, you know, almost a hundred years earlier that we were actually a corporation and that all of these plans had been laid and that President Trump actually was now the commander-in-chief.
(1:04:55) Uh, and so much was happening behind the scenes. Well, of course, this brings up so many questions, so many red flags. Uh, and again, it it it divided the church. And so, I’m going to share my own experience, my own take. And again, I’ve I’ve got a lot of past videos about this, but from this side, I want to describe what I saw and how I, you know, walked through it myself.
(1:05:19) See, I’m operating from a gift of faith. Anything is possible. when when I heard of these conspiracy theories or, you know, heard of these possibilities. See, I’m a researcher. I love to go down rabbit holes. And when I read something, when I see something, I’m not content just to take someone’s word for it.
(1:05:35) I will research. I know how to do that. And I will go deep until I’m satisfied that, okay, I think I’ve got some good intel here, verified witnesses, some reports that I can trust. Uh I mean some of it you couldn’t really prove but so many of the theories I wanted to know do they even hold any weight? Is that even possible? And and I kept seeing it’s possible I don’t know how but you know this could actually be possible.
(1:06:04) Could God actually do something like that? Now the other thing that one would have to do is you have to get outside of your church box. You have to get out of the religious box and you have to think differently because I had to put myself okay if this could actually be happening that there’s some kind of thing happening behind the scenes an intelligence what do they even think like what does an intelligent intelligence agent or an agency what would they be looking at I mean national security and all this kind of thing see
(1:06:38) this is what then I begin to see emerge in the patriot community and I begin to see, you know, online voices emerging weren’t even Christians. They were beginning to consider the same thing. They were beginning to look at this stuff and ask questions. And so I watched and I’m like, is this really happening? I mean, we’ve talked about these conspiracies for the for years.
(1:07:05) Are you serious? And I kept watching and you know my prayer throughout this whole thing. Lord, if this is not true, if this is just a huge distraction of the enemy, show me now. I don’t want I don’t want to, you know, support this. If this isn’t true, show me. And see, I could ask that with confidence because I had enough of a track record with the Lord.
(1:07:27) That that’s a prayer that I have often prayed. You know, sometimes, you know, you can pray, Lord, give me a sign. you know, you put out a flea, show me a sign that this is true. And he’s done that. But I also found just as effective, uh, if he didn’t want to give me a direct answer, I would simply say, “Okay, Lord, show me if you do not want me to do this, close the door.
(1:07:47) If you do not want me to look at this, then show me that there’s something else.” And he’s he always did it. So, I could ask him that with confidence. Lord, if if this does not hold any weight, show me now. I’m not going to even spend any more time. It’s going to be a waste of time. Every time I asked that, something would be presented to me.
(1:08:06) I’d come upon an article, someone’s testimony, some information would come out that would seem to suggest it could be possible. It could be possible. There’s something there. And so I just kept watching, Lord, this could really be happening. And so that counternarrative has been a huge part see of all these prophecies because it goes to a broader perspective of what God is really doing.
(1:08:32) And the thing that encouraged me the most and I would post about this is that some of the loudest voices came outside the church and it was because they actually had the faith to believe that that could happen. Now granted, you know, they did not have a biblical worldview, but what I was struck by after years of seeing so much rampant unbelief in the church, I thought, wouldn’t you know, it’s going to take a non-believer to actually have more faith than most Christians because they can get outside this religious
(1:09:05) mindset because that’s been a huge principality in the church is a religious spirit. And so I was actually encouraged thinking, “Oh my goodness, here is a here is uh people who are here are people who are willing to consider the possibilities.” And then, you know, as time went on, it became apparent to everybody.
(1:09:26) I mean, let’s face it, things got so bad with COVID and the jabs and the, you know, lockdowns and all this. Everyone is really desperate. God, we need you. This is beyond anyone. This is beyond any president. It’s beyond We need God. I mean, that’s the level of desperation uh that was rampant online. And yet, what I saw in that was that so many of these patriots, non-Christians, they began to say the same thing.
(1:09:52) Is there a God? Is is God who he says he is? And I saw people come to the Lord as a result of this journey, this process of them having to deal with the and the primary reason was the level of wickedness. I mean the level of witchcraft that was uncovered in this time uh of the occult practices I mean go back to you know the whole trafficking issue began to to really come to the forefront and that’s where people got a wakeup call to the level of depravity and wickedness.
(1:10:26) It actually woke people up to the reality of God. And so I couldn’t help it. I saw these God threads throughout all these conversations. Now, there’s no question there was a mixture. You know, in terms of the Q narrative, there was certain just like in everything. You’re going to have counterfeits. You’re going to have bots.
(1:10:42) You’re going to have people who are coming in with lies and misinformation trying to lead you astray. That happens everywhere. But for me, I saw enough of God in it that I knew there were elements that were true. They were really happening. They had legitimacy. The reality is at this point a lot of it still can’t be proven. That that’s the reality.
(1:11:06) A lot of it still cannot be because it has not been publicly confirmed or verified. A lot of it was conjecture and that again is where presumption got the best of a lot of people and we fell into this trap of making a lot of presumptions because we loved exploring ideas of what could be comments you know online threads channels that appeared.
(1:11:31) It all came from I believe a good heart that we wanted to consider all the possibilities but it took us down a wrong road. But this uh this messaging was very very active, okay, following the 2020 election, 2021, 2022. And this is really what fueled um a lot of the prophets. And so it was right after the election, you know, when I began to, you know, post content trying to stir faith in the saints, you know, for the bigger picture that I was contacted by Steve Schultz of the Elijah List because that’s when they started Elijah Streams, that platform to bring
(1:12:09) on prophetic voices that saw the same thing. Now, I never asked to be on Elijah Streams. I never have. Uh I know some some people who do that. that’s, you know, when they get on, it’s because they they know Steve, uh, and they ask to be on. I never did. Uh, it’s always been by invitations for, so for those who have written in the last number of years, you know, why aren’t you on Elijah Streams again? It’s because I haven’t been invited, but I’ll get to that. There was a reason for that, but
(1:12:38) um, I got invited on Elijah Streams and and I was one of their regular guests uh, throughout 2021 and even 2022. And the primary reason was not because of uh prophecy. It was because of dreams that the Lord gave me. And some of the dreams that I had were so um out of my realm of even interest or research, I knew they were the Lord.
(1:13:08) I mean, one of the one of the biggest ones was about JFK. I was taken into the White House during the JFK presidency. And the revelation that the Lord gave me at that time was he said I have marked history in that time there’s a marker there pay attention I knew that he was calling attention that something happened in that time in that white house that greatly impacted the nation and that’s that’s how I kind of unpacked that whole dream now there again I had some presumption if you go back and watch those videos where I described that I had some presumption in
(1:13:41) how I interpreted some aspect ects of that dream and some of the application. But I believe that the revelation was right. Uh and that’s a thread throughout all the things that I know I shared was that the the revelation the the heart of the message I feel the Lord gave was mostly accurate, but it was in the interpretation of it and how it was applied that was misplaced and and that’s where things got off.
(1:14:10) So um during that time on Elijah’s dreams there was a lot of energy there and and I want to tell you a little bit more about Elijah’s dreams and my time there because this is really the the crux of where the Trump prophets emerged. understand that, you know, at that time uh and and I’m going to take you back even to the beginning of Elijah List because I’ve been I was featured as a as a writer on Elijah List for years before I was invited to be on Elijah’s dreams.
(1:14:43) And as I got to know it wasn’t until I was on Elijah Stress that I even got to know Steve Schultz. But I want to commend Steve understand that when Elijah list was started years ago in the charismatic church there was no place to identify you know who was speaking prophetically to the church or to the nation and and I’m I don’t want to speak for Steve but it it seems pretty evident the reason that he started that from the little I can remember about as he has described it the reason that he even started that was
(1:15:16) to simply provide a place where people could share share prophetic words. Okay, that that was the primary reason was simply to as a as a place to to share with others in the body of Christ what God was revealing to prophetic voices. As I also learned to know Steve, he is an exhorter. Again, going to the Romans 12 gift list, uh I see on him he is a he is an exhorter, an encourager. He’s also a giver.
(1:15:46) And I and I can testify that ministry has given literally millions uh to charities, to orphans, uh to so many causes. He is a giver uh and he is a great resourcer and and he has launched, you know, he has provided a a channel and a place for prophets to speak. Um and so I am I’m thankful for that. I mean, as a prophetic voice, you know, years ago that was trying to get a handle on what do I do with this gift? you know, who are the other people that even operate in this gift? That ministry was huge and and I’m thankful for it. But getting on
(1:16:20) to Elijah’s dreams, this was the first time. See, this is very different from how the Elijah list had always functioned because Steve is an encourager and because of the New Testament definition of prophecy that it should encourage, it should uh, you know, uplift and up people. That’s primarily the kinds of words that Elijah list would post and I saw that even before ever getting on Elijah’s dreams uh that cuz some of the words that the Lord would show me even through dreams they were sometimes they were strong
(1:16:54) because there were times where I literally it was a sentence I heard clear as if he would have said it audibly. It wasn’t audible but it was so clear a a a word and a phrase that God would give and it it was an admonition. It was a correction and I would write that down knowing it was of the Lord, but because it was so heavy, they didn’t always post it.
(1:17:16) Okay, so my point is by and large the Elijah list, you know, had had pretty much just posted what was encouraging and and edifying. Well, you get to Elijah’s dreams and these are live broadcasts bringing on prophets to just share what’s the Lord showing you. There wasn’t the same kind of vetting process.
(1:17:33) And so, you know, anything could be shared. Uh now obviously there was you know some vetting ahead of time that they did you know to to know that okay we’ve got some major some of the core things we’re in alignment with but uh it was different. I personally was grateful for it because I thought this is going to be great because you can finally hear someone speak.
(1:17:55) you can really see uh you know the the prophet and because there’s so much even in communication doing a video and hearing someone speak you hear their heart in ways that a written word you just don’t get it so I was very grateful you know for the Elijah streams platform but what began to happen as different ones came on there was such a demand placed upon prophets to speak what is God doing what’s going going to happen.
(1:18:29) People were so desperate to know when is President Trump going to come back? When is he going to be reinstated? For those who really kind of got the bigger picture of the spiritual warfare and really felt convinced about his assignment, that was the constant question. When is he going to come back? When is this, you know, torture going to end? And I can tell you as one being on that platform and just then all of a sudden being put in that position and being labeled that way, I felt that pressure.
(1:19:03) Now, I have a personal responsibility in how I respond to that. It’s it’s primarily my responsibility that I don’t allow peer pressure to determine what I say. But I do want to say it was in an unhealthy environment that believers, the body of Christ, those who put that demand also need to take responsibility for because there was such a demand.
(1:19:26) And and this actually is a thread and a theme that I have heard come from some of these prophets who are now being called out for falsifying words that you know behind closed doors and in conversations that I know of where they have said I felt such pressure to perform I felt like I had to come up with something.
(1:19:55) That’s how unhealthy it became. Is it because of this pressure, this demand? You know, what’s the Lord saying? What is the Lord telling you? And personally, I had to continually fight that. Every time I went on, I felt like I had to I had to do something. And this is where another thing I got wrong.
(1:20:17) I didn’t stay with the grace that God had given me in in the wisdom, the faith, and the discerning of spirits. I felt pressure that everything had to be a prophecy. And so I would I would take these revelations and I would think, okay, what is God prophesying? What what’s going to happen? And in some cases, I would even tend to try to make it predictive, not realizing what I had fallen into because of again the hunger and the desperation from people.
(1:20:45) And I wanted to help and and I wanted people to know now I know who God is. I know what he said. It can happen. But it was presumption and and I added too many things to what I knew initially God had called me to. And so, you know, this is this is going to go to a major shift that’s desperately needed. And we’ve said it, believers in Christ, our priority is we need to hear God for ourselves.
(1:21:13) There’s a place for prophets, okay, to confirm the word of the Lord or perhaps to to uh to show this is where God is taking us or this is what he wants. But prophecy was never meant to predict things. And that’s the huge that’s the huge default these last number of years is that after a while, that’s all prophecy has become, a ministry of prediction.
(1:21:38) But it’s ended up being a ministry of presumption. um it’s got to be set right and and so I want to do my part, you know, in in just acknowledging that that was not right. And it made me uh you know, look back on a lot of the things that I had uh received and tried to understand, you know, and going back through my dream journal and everything and re-evaluating again.
(1:22:06) Okay, Lord, what was it that you really showed me and why? you know, is this even be shared or is it simply to pray into very important things. So throughout 2021 and 2022 for those who were following the counternarrative uh it was always contending for you know when is Trump coming back because we were so convinced that he needed to be in that seat of president in order to fulfill his mission not realizing that God was actually doing some other things.
(1:22:38) And it was after the 2022 midterms um near the end of that year a shift happened especially for me uh because there were some markers and and this too is where I take responsibility for on my channel though I didn’t say I prophesy you I was very careful not to say that but but here was another trap and this goes to those of you who watch is because once labeled led as a prophet.
(1:23:10) It’s like no matter what I would say, people would take it as a prophecy. I can’t tell you how many emails I would get, people charging me, well, you prophesied this and it was wrong. And I’m I’m thinking, I never prophesied that. But because I said, I think this is going to happen or I believe this, then they took that as a prophecy.
(1:23:31) there. Again, there’s a difference between issuing a prophetic word and declaring that something’s going to happen and someone perhaps giving a discernment. It could fall into that that that I had wrong discernment, but to to for someone to simply say, I believe this is going to happen. I mean, it can get confusing, but I’m just telling you that how easy it is for everyone to fall into this trap.
(1:23:55) And so I could tell by the end of of 2022 that God’s focus was not where we thought it was because I began to hear even my fellow prophets kind of all saying the same thing. It was almost like we were in a loop, you know, going around and around and I was getting kind of tired of it. And and just to clarify, even during this time, I did not follow many other prophets.
(1:24:28) I never have, by the way. Part of that is for my own integrity because I know how easy it would be to listen to other prophets and be influenced by that. And so, I’ve always purposely guarded myself in that that I’m not looking to others to verify or to get ideas from because that can happen so easily. At the same time, there were there have been times and there consistently are times where the Lord does instruct me to follow up with what some of the others are saying that I feel that that I would trust to know, wait a minute, am am I in
(1:25:06) line, you know, wi with with these things. Now, I will say because I didn’t say it earlier in terms of accountability for me, my primary my primary accountability has been at my local church. I’m married to a pastor and I’ve shared some before on my channel of you know my relationship with Bobby.
(1:25:28) Bobby’s gift mix is totally different than mine. The Lord arranged this marriage um for both of our benefit. It’s been iron sharpening iron. He has been my biggest supporter, but he has been my biggest critic because he thinks like a pastor and a teacher and and so I have always been within a context of things going through, you know, my husband and my pastor, but also our leadership team and people in my home church that I continually get feedback from.
(1:25:58) And and this is where even the issue of character, if we’re going to talk about accountability, to me, the the accountability should start with a person’s character. Are they trustworthy? Are they honest? Are they not given to exaggeration? Are they open to feedback? All of those things. See, that can only happen in a in a local context with people who know you and who you’ve given permission to speak into your life.
(1:26:23) So, that’s always been a part of my framework. Plus, uh, you know, during these years in in recent years, I’ve had, uh, intercessors that I’m always asking. I have personal intercessors that I’ve always asked feedback from. I also have some ministry advisors, people who are in other streams and other movements that I will contact, I have relationship with and and I invite them to speak into my life.
(1:26:44) So that has always been a part of of my accountability structure um that that I’ve I’ve trusted in. And so at the end of of 2022 when I was, you know, looking at these things, you know, I was getting some feedback and some push back from people of Wanda, things are not unfolding the way that you and these others have talked about.
(1:27:11) What are you going to do about it? And so I had to take account for that. And as I went to the Lord, I realized um God’s focus was shifting. and what I thought was so important of people seeing this counternarrative. No, God had another application in mind. And so I really had to sit back and it was at the end of 2022 the Lord even uh alerted me.
(1:27:38) He said, “Wanda, I’m I’m going to pull you off Elijah’s dreams. I’m going to pull you back for a while.” I didn’t know what it meant, but he put that in my heart. I just knew it. I don’t know how I can even tell. I just knew it that he was going to pull me back. And that’s exactly what happened.
(1:27:53) Um, and it was major for me. Um, beginning in 2023, I actually did have a dream or two that the Lord was giving me a heads up and he said, “You need you need to get offline. You you need to step back because you and I need to talk.” And it was in March of 2023. I experienced major uh demonic attack and I’ve detailed it my journey with tinnitus and demonic spirits and oppression that was major and I believe some of it was it was self-induced and it was because of some of this presumption that I had given
(1:28:36) into. And I’m so grateful to the Lord. Uh he told me you need you need to stop. You need to get off and I did. Um, and then I got hit and for it was weeks where the enemy came and it was through a a bullhorn in my ear. Literally, I mean, I it was survival for weeks because I couldn’t sleep.
(1:29:00) I couldn’t do anything. Um, because it was a constant bullhorn in my ear. And there were some physical things that happened, but it it was demonic. And it took several weeks for Bobby and I to really break through. a lot of repentance, a lot of soulsearching, ways in which I had gone off.
(1:29:19) And you know, I could detail those things out. Many I’ve already referred to here uh of the presumption of, you know, getting caught up in the hype of being on a national platform, giving in to to pressure to perform, um any issues of identity that that were not dealt with. Um I had to lay it all down and I got freedom.
(1:29:42) I got reset in many ways and then the then the Lord took me on another whole journey of just healing even physically where my body had taken the toll of all of this and I had to get some things right you know I through that time um I didn’t only get some spiritual upgrades but even understanding the place of suffering in the believer’s life uh understanding what’s demonic and what’s not how much we can um bring things on ourselves and not realize it how how to persevere in the midst of hard times. I mean, it’s so
(1:30:12) many things the Lord taught me, which which again I’ve shared in in other videos, but all of that, it was um a real time of reflection. And the whole time um the dreams stopped. I mean, pretty much for 2023 and a lot of 2024, I didn’t have any dreams. Uh because I knew that I was in a time of correction.
(1:30:36) Um, and I knew instinctively I no one had to tell me. I just knew uh the Lord was kind of rebranding me and because I never was contacted by Elijah’s dreams or Steve, but I just had a piece because I knew God, you know, I’m yours. And and because I’ve not wanted to be labeled, I just want to serve.
(1:30:58) I want to do what he’s called me to do. Say, Lord, whatever. I lay it all down. if I need to quit altogether, I’m ready to do that. Um, given the backlash and and what had happened, I was ready to just I’m done. You know, maybe I’ll write a few books and that’s it. But I felt like he was saying, “Well, just hang on.
(1:31:18) I’m going to teach you some things. Uh, there’s more to do.” He is the one that can determine and will determine the the depth and and breadth of our voice where we go. All we can do is be faithful with what he’s given us. What he does with that is up to him. I’m not going to make anything happen. Um I want to be content with a little.
(1:31:42) I want to be content with a lot and not think more highly of myself. Uh and hopefully just even by you know modeling something um however however I can serve. That really was was what I wanted to do. One of the most important things that I learned during that time is how important obedience is. Going back to that scripture in Samuel, because that was what the Lord was saying, Wanda, you’ve got to stay more uh in tune with what I’m saying.
(1:32:12) Don’t presume, you know, that daily connection that we have with the Lord is so important to keep updated, which which um you know, which I knew and I had to let go of even this counternarrative. And here I do want to say just to kind of clarify, why haven’t more, you know, of the Trump prophecies, why aren’t isn’t there more account taken for it? Again, I can’t speak for other prophets and what they have said or what they haven’t said since that time because I haven’t kept up with any of them. I’m I’m
(1:32:45) already I’ve already moved ahead. I mean, the the Lord redirected me in this last year to to come back to the church, okay? um because that’s where the leadership crisis is. And so I don’t know, you know, what’s been said and what hasn’t been said, but in terms of the the counternarrative picture and this call for aren’t you going to say that you’re wrong? Again, it’s not just a word about Trump.
(1:33:16) It’s about the whole package and the possibility of, you know, the United States being actually a corporation or a republic that Trump really was a commander-in-chief in the last number of years and that there’s been arrest going on. The reality is it can’t be proven either way.
(1:33:42) Uh there could be arguments on both sides. I personally still tend to lean towards everything that I saw. Yep, I can see that happening. Yep, I can see God doing that. And it makes sense for everything that I’ve seen. But I can’t any longer try to make that a platform to stand on as if to prove something because to me it’s a disputable matter anymore.
(1:34:07) And I’ve said before, if indeed that was happening, it could be a ma matter of national security that they’re not going to tell people for years. Because in essence, everything that I know I had been praying about back in 2016, changes in the nation and and leadership. The fact is it’s happening. I mean, yeah, there’s a lot of problems.
(1:34:27) I don’t follow national government things anymore. That’s not my assignment anymore. I was on special assignment, okay, for a few years where I was put in that position. I’m kind of back home now in being a voice to the church. And so a lot of these things that are happening in the nation I’m not even keeping up with anymore because there for me I have a piece that I did the part that I had in in trying to bring some things to light and realizing God doesn’t seem to think that that’s a priority either that it has to
(1:34:59) be publicly confirmed or verified because this is one of the things that the Lord showed me during that time of of attack and reflection. I mean, he challenged me. He said, “Whanda, what will happen if if things never come out for years? Are you are you going to be okay with that?” Because it’s not about validating me.
(1:35:23) And so, you know, I had to lay that down. And this is something that I think is a very important thing that we that we recognize times and seasons that we properly recognize the times and seasons of the Lord. There are going to be times where the Lord highlights something, a message, a revelation, and there will be a conviction that we can have, especially those on the front lines that see it first and that are calling for these kinds of changes.
(1:35:49) But we have to recognize when that grace is lifted, these seasons don’t last forever. And I feel like there was a grace on the prophets in 2021 and in 2022, but I saw that grace shift. And I spoke to it on my channel. I said I saw it that okay there there was a grace but not that we wouldn’t have prophetic voices speaking but the the focus was shifting the perspective needed to shift because of what God was doing in leadership you know the apostles the pastors the the the local church and the bigger issue of where is the health of
(1:36:25) church leadership did we recognize that did we make the adjustment because I’ll have to say I see a parallel even Now, in this call for exposures in the church and and accountability for church leadership, there is a grace on this message right now because it is the Lord’s doing. The Lord is the one that is bringing these things to light. There’s a window.
(1:36:48) This is a window of time though. It is a season where God himself is doing this. We have to be very careful to recognize when that window of grace changes. and and and so this is really for those of you who are and I’m speaking to my fellow podcasters and YouTubers who are bringing these things to light.
(1:37:07) Don’t make the mistake that I made and that perhaps some of the previous prophets did in being so convinced that this has to be proven that you miss when God’s grace may be lifting and that now it’s become about personal vindication. We can’t go there because unfortunately it could be that some of these cases are never resolved the way that we’d like them to.
(1:37:32) Some of these cases may never be proven the way that we want. I believe overall God’s going to have his way and in one way or another his justice will be served. That’s that’s the confidence that I have. But this is this is the larger perspective of the times and seasons of the Lord. And when he begins to bring correction to the church, it is it is a window of time.
(1:37:50) It is a season of time where those who are called to that, there is a prophetic charge behind it. There’s a fuel and a fire behind it. But we have to recognize when that changes and we have to let him deal with with the aftermath of it. And we have to be faithful, you know, for for what God’s called us to.
(1:38:10) Some of these things are disputable matters. And you know, I’d referenced in my last video in in talking about some of the scriptures concerning church leadership and false doctrines is that one of the scriptures talked about vain speculations where we can’t veer into that. And so this is an example I think in this you know the whole election uh chaos was much of it got into vain speculations.
(1:38:34) There’s there’s a point of trying to stir people to faith, bring things to light, but again, there’s a measure that we have to be aware of. And really, this comes from Romans 14 1-4. This says, “As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions, which is disputable matters.
(1:38:56) One person believes, he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains. And let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls, and he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
(1:39:20) This gets to the point, we’re not all going to agree on some of these points. Uh what are those things that are core and essential as believers in the church in terms of what God’s purpose is right now? This is where we need prophetic perspective as the people of God. So, I want to wind this thing down with some suggestions based upon, you know, the things that I’ve shared.
(1:39:45) I’ I’ve tried to be as honest and and open as I can. Again, I know that I’ve missed things along the way. And so, I welcome questions uh for clarity. Uh I’m sure I’ll be covering them in subsequent videos. Um but because of the things that that I walk through, I want to make some suggestions, okay, for the prophetic movement in moving forward.
(1:40:06) Number one is that we’ve got to be anchored in the core essentials of our faith. Even prophetic revelations, they cannot become the priority. They cannot become um the essential of our faith. They will complement, they should complement the our sound doctrine. Any prophetic revelation should reveal even more of God’s character, God’s heart, God’s word, but we’ve got to know and have sound doctrine to begin with.
(1:40:36) Number two, we’ve we’ve got to view the gifts of the spirit, and I mean all of the gifts of spirit as tools rather than trophies. This has been something again we have fallen into in labeling someone because of the gift that they have rather than seeing all of these spiritual gifts are are simply a means to a greater end and that is to equip the body of Christ to bring others into salvation.
(1:41:03) They’re tools. They’re tools. And you know what? You might use one tool one time, you might use another tool another time. Can we let each other do that without expecting or putting on pressure on someone to perform? It’s as the spirit directs. And if we can make that our goal, Holy Spirit, just use me in whatever way you see fit to meet this need.
(1:41:28) That’s what I want to do. Number three, we need to value the letter of the law just as much as the spirit of the law. And I’m talking about the word and spirit coming together. I see a collision of the two right now. But this is a healthy thing, you know, where prophets lean toward just the spirit being very pragmatic and and getting the essence of the word.
(1:41:49) You have the teachers and pastors looking at this is what scripture says. We need both. And you know where I would challenge prophets, we need to know the word. We need to be accountable to what scripture says and cannot veer so much out into speculation that we begin to lead people into exaggeration into into territory that’s not healthy.
(1:42:11) Then in like manner, I would challenge the teachers, where’s your faith? Where’s your faith in that which you can’t explain, that which you can’t see with the natural eyes? Are you willing to consider there might be gold dust? Number four, steward the revelation even more than the interpretation and application.
(1:42:34) I believe in prophetic revelation, those things that God reveals to us by his spirit. But we can’t just jump ahead to assume an interpretation in an application. There needs to be much more specificity. Okay? When we share dreams and visions, this is something I was challenged in is that sometimes when I’ve shared a dream or vision, I quickly jump to what I think it means.
(1:42:58) And perhaps a better practice in general might be just to share this is what the Lord showed me. What do you think? What is the Lord showing you? This is what I believe it may be. But I want to invite you into that process. I tried to do that. Actually, I was encouraged by one of my spiritual advisers when I was telling them I was going to do this video.
(1:43:16) I asked for feedback, you know, and I was glad to hear them say because they followed me pretty much consistently the whole time. is that Wanda, you you always invited people to examine the word and I was grateful for that feedback. That’s been my intent. I haven’t always been um consistent in that, but that’s been my heart is that I want to hear feedback to get a fuller picture of what God is saying.
(1:43:45) Number five, value collective discernment just as much as personal revelation. So again, I acknowledge the revelation the Holy Spirit gives us. But can we value that collective discernment? Can we begin to see the value of bringing pastors, teachers, prophets all together? We tend to be, you know, clicks. All the prophets get together.
(1:44:03) All the pastors get together. All the teachers get together. Let’s let’s co-mingle a little bit. Okay? Can we have healthy conversation? And that’s my number six. We need healthy conversations without partiality or offense. Now I know there are some channels that that have done that and are doing it.
(1:44:22) I think we need to do it a lot more where we can agree to disagree that we are secure enough in who we are as individuals where our our core identity is that we can talk about some of these things that we know you know the this isn’t a core essential you know what do you think I don’t know if I agree with that right now but that’s something worth considering.
(1:44:42) We need prophetic voices. We are prophetic people. I believe that that’s what God has called us to be with a proper perspective. He wants to speak to us. But he wants us to work together at this. And so that’s really my hope and prayer as I have shared these things. I’m hoping that maybe it stirred some thought, maybe challenged us a bit.
(1:45:04) You know, we do need to take responsibility for where we have misspoken or presumed upon God. I want to learn. I want to grow. I’m willing. And so I do welcome your feedback. I know there’s going to be those that absolutely disagree and will try to find fault and that that’s fine. You know, I don’t mind uh healthy dialogue, but my prayer is we can grow together.
(1:45:28) God has some things ahead that we can only accomplish when we come together. And so, I’m I’m praying that especially for those who uh know the gifts of the spirit are powerful for today and who want to operate in the prophetic and who are, let’s grow. Let’s learn the lessons of the past so we can do better for the future.
(1:45:47) If you have made it all the way to the end of this video, thank you so much. I do pray that you uh feel free to comment, that you give it a thumbs up. If you feel like this is really helpful, please share it. Let other people know about it. Let’s have ongoing conversations because I know the Lord has uh much more to teach us and I look forward to what’s ahead.
(1:46:07) Thanks for watching. [Music]

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